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Poster: Liamfinnegan Date: Nov 28, 2006 6:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: McGlone you will be sorely missed

Before you go, please think about this-

You are our Jack Lemmon in 12 Angry Men- You have been a voice of modesty- a bringer of joy- an arbiter even when you did not choose to be- and that is beyond your contribution to the forum you make via your experience with the music.

I am sure it would be easy to name the other eleven- but it would be irrelevant- When one of the eleven would flow away another would rise in his place. Dogpile on the rabbit indeed.

I ask you politely to not let the close-minded- the so sure of themselves members chase you out the door. Evidence was presented from a few people that would cast doubt on the indictments from those who have coronated me the "Deadbeat". Prick? If that is someone's feelings about a two dimensional cartoon on a forum that's okay-

Those who pile on the rabbit, who do not question, who find comfort in taking the easy route on an issue by essentially saying "yeah, what he said"- instead of doing the research- well, that is just where they are. There is time for them to grow- time for them to learn what it is they need to learn about themselves-

The scary part, if there is one, is how quickly "group think" manifests here. There is not a single person here who knows all the facts- not even me- and what some folks have said of me has little basis in reality- and perhaps some things I have said about others have even less basis in reaility- they are half-truths in many cases- but that is okay- who has all the answers?

I respect your decision to go back into lurk mode- It is just a shame that a few people indulging their libidos and drawing conclusions based on limited review end up chasing away such a valuable member of the forum.

I hope you reconsider after maybe a short vacation- I for one have learned so much from you- and you hold a special place in my heart as you were the first to "mail bomb" me.

On my March to the scaffold (cue the Berlioz) I want to ask just one question- Can any of you point out where Charlie Miller insisted on payback for the impossibly good contribution has has made to the archives- the countless hours cleaning up old boards and auds and up loading them?

No.

Where is it written that Jerry Moore or Rob Betrando feel slighted that they have not gotten "theirs"- they are the reason we are even here- The Oade brothers? I have not read anything from them demanding payback

You get the point. I would rather see you stay- stay out of the individual scrimmages if you have to- but when it comes to the music- bring on your knowledge-

And most importantly, thanks for the vouch. It shows at least a few people were really reading and thinking outside of the groupthink.

We as people are the sum results of our input- in some ways very binary- so if reading the posts here and responding is not helping you grow or enjoy life, by all means pursue more peaceful ways.

Yes this is a long good bye, but you are a special person, enlightened and truly free in many ways, and I wanted to thank you for being you.

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Poster: BryanE Date: Nov 29, 2006 11:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: McGlone you will be sorely missed

I'm still pretty much a newcomer to the site, and wouldn't even put in my two cents worth if it weren't for the fact that in his response mcglone mentions my name and the team effort on the part of all you good people to get my music collection back on its feet.

Guess some stones get thrown 'round here, eh? Ain't it a bitch. Well, all I can say about my experience so far is:

thank you


for a real good time.

Still, pissing matches aren't really my cup of tea.

Well, actually, that's not ALWAYS true, but they aren't why I'm here, so please don't feel slighted if I just sit at the sidelines and watch.




If things get particularly ugly, I might laugh. Hope you don't mind.

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Poster: daliguana Date: Nov 28, 2006 7:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: McGlone you will be sorely missed

What is the meaning of all this!? Did I miss something? Mcglone has been (still is?) one of the best stand-up fellows on site. Please enlighten me as to rumors of his demise. Say it aint so, Joe.
OK, so I found his last post and understand that he is going to return to lurking - I'm just glad that I was one of the lucky to get his email. I often wonder what people think when they wander onto this site and see personal attacks and downright rude behaviour - there are plenty of sites out there for that - I don't think it has much place here. McGlone knows, I have been guilty of it before. I questioned an esteemed member's credentials - albeit privately, but in the end, amends were made (by my sticking my tail...) Far from censor - I just choose to not participate. There are some that have 'gone lurking' that we sorely miss - stratocaster, et al. I just hope that we members are not chasing people away. So lets try to be more uplifting and call off the down-presser man.

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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Nov 28, 2006 7:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: McGlone you will be sorely missed

i hope it's not true,i'm still digging the paco youtube link up he passed on to me.hope you still stick around bro.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 28, 2006 7:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: McGlone you will be sorely missed

Wow, what happend McGlone? Too much drama? Start a topic man. What do you want to leave for?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 28, 2006 7:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: McGlone you will be sorely missed

Hey Ian - I know I can be an igniter on alot of this drama on the forum - time for me to chill - sorry man for my part in this clusterfuck that you are sick of.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 29, 2006 9:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: McGlone you will be sorely missed

Why apologize Dire? This is like the whole censorship debate - no one can agree so don't even go there. If people ( I'm not saying just Ian ) want to get all upset because all these topics aren't 100% Dead all the time then why on Earth can't they just ignore those threads and go add their two cents in on ONE particular show or ONE particular version of ONE pareticular song and sit there and talk about the SAME thing all the time. If that's what they want then who the hell is stopping them? GEEZ!

Oh, and if people want to feel sorry for Liam for ANYTHING then maybe they'll change their tune after they find themselves on the receiving end of one of his unprovoked trolling tirades like I have.

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Poster: cush11 Date: Nov 29, 2006 9:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: McGlone you will be sorely missed

Like the one he dropped on High Flow the other night. Posted it at around 1:30 am, I think there were 2 maybe 3 of us on here then. Skulking in the night... I had to bare MY fangs a bit on that one!

OK, nuff said on that, me be good now!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 29, 2006 9:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: McGlone you will be sorely missed

I was just feelin kinda bad if I played a rather large part in Ian's decision to go back to lurk mode. The dude's been very good to me during my time of disability, as have you and several others (you know who you are) - not trying to be sappy at all, just speaking Truth.

I totally agree with what you are saying though. Can you imagine if this was 100% Dead 100% of the time??? no fun, no learning, no broadening of our musical horizons, never mind other areas of our wonderous and varied World. What a great group we have on here (for the most part) - I for one am very very thankful.

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Poster: mcglone Date: Nov 29, 2006 5:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: McGlone you will be sorely missed

hey man,

censorship? upset when topics aren't 100% exclusively all dead, all the time? c'mon.

i just thought it was time to pull up on the personal attacks. if that's your kink, so be it.

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 29, 2006 6:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: McGlone you will be sorely missed

Everybody makes a wacky post now and then. BUT, speaking of kings, Liam is the wackiest of the wack. Which is ok w/ me as long as he can handle it too.....never can tell w/ that guy. But some his tirade was some real funny shit...assuming he was being as truthful as he was before the resurrection....

I take it as a joke. It can't possibly ALL be real. He, wife and mutt all victims of tapers and traders...too funny!

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 29, 2006 7:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: McGlone you will be sorely missed

I didn't mean just you. Sorry if it came out that way. It just seems there are some that really get all bent out of shape if things don't stick to all Dead all the time which would get boring real quick. It's a testament to the band we can all talk about the music as much as we can.

My badly made point was more along the lines of making a vocal public statement about it ( why not just do it? ) and me not understanding why people ( not just you ) can't skip over the things they don't like. There's plenty enough cool stuff to talk about here. Whatever, you have your reasons.

Personal attacks aren't my " kink". Hopefully I don't come off that way. I like to think I'm cool to people even when I strongly disagree. I have to say though that I don't feel sorry for Liam. I've been on the unprovoked side of his shit spewing. I like a lot of the subjects he posts and I like to participate in them but I otherwise avoid the guy. That's the route I take to react if provoked but hopefully not provoke.

And lastly - I've allways been nonviolent,etc. but this peace and love walking through the flowers business attributed to the band is a myth. While they all had a tendency to avoid conflict I know they also had a tendency to not take shit and say it like they felt it - just like everyone here.

No hard feelings I hope. Hopefully I wasn't any factor in this for you ( although I don't recall getting into too many heated exchanges with anyone ).

peace

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Poster: mcglone Date: Nov 30, 2006 5:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: McGlone you will be sorely missed

johnny,

this poor beaten horse. let's kick it one more time.

never once have ''I' suggested taking the direction of the forum into all dead all the time. agreed, it WOULD be a yawn. i too have always subscribed to the notion of if you don't like something, change the channel.

my only point: i felt it necessary that someone address the virtual swarmings that are becoming more and more frequent. i'm not asking you to feel sorry for anyone. i actually have no i idea how you misinterpreted my concern over beatdowns to calling for an all GOGD format?

anyway, no hard feelings at all, with you, or anyone else for that matter.

ian



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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 30, 2006 7:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: McGlone you will be sorely missed

ok, I'm glad theres no hard feeling between you and me. Also, I wasn't trying to put any words in your mouth. I was just badly using anologies to make my point. ANyways, I'll put this to rest. Peace Ian

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Poster: patkelley Date: Nov 28, 2006 8:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: McGlone you will be sorely missed

it's the clusterfuck that keeps me coming back for more (particularly your shit direwolf)

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 28, 2006 8:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: McGlone you will be sorely missed

i may have gone a bit over the top recently (part of it for entertainment value - part of it for other personal reasons) - i can understand McGlone's frustration. I need to take a chill pill at times and not alienate so many people - i am not by any means the king of this forum - nor do i want to be - i'm just part of the clan and need to know when to keep my big mouth shut sometimes. It may be fun at times.... but you know what i mean, right man?

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Poster: patkelley Date: Nov 28, 2006 8:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: McGlone you will be sorely missed

i'm with you friend. i dont take any offense at any of your comments and posts. i can tell you're a true Head with some real insight, and a sarcastic streak. i'd probably take your word on the GD over almost anyone's (aside from my own and my dad's and uncle zibby's). Respect, man.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 28, 2006 8:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: McGlone you will be sorely missed

uncle zibby???? now that man sounds like a real head!!!! great name!!

cool man - glad atleast i haven't offended you (one down - one hundred to go - lol - i crack myself up)

thanks for not taking me too seriously with my sarcasm - appreciated :)

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Poster: patkelley Date: Nov 28, 2006 8:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: McGlone you will be sorely missed

ya- last name zibelman. all men in his family (including my cousin) are called zibby.

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Poster: sparky999255 Date: Nov 29, 2006 1:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: McGlone you will be sorely missed

Why did you use Jack Lemmon in 12 Angry Men as a comparison? I was confused for a moment, because I couldn't recall Jack Lemmon being in that movie. I figured you meant Henry Fonda. Then I remembered that Jack was in the inferior (yet still entertaining) made for television version and not the original.

I assume that you're saying that McGlone has many of the same charachter traits as juror #8 and not that he is an inferior reproduction.

Actually, I like the remake...but did they have to use
Tony Danza?

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Poster: BryanE Date: Nov 29, 2006 4:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: McGlone you will be sorely missed

I'm with you on that one Sparky, and surprised I didn't comment on it myself. Who played the Lee J Cobb character in the Lemmon production? Was it George C Scott? And if so, is it a requirement of that role for the actor to use his middle initial? The Lemmon version also has William Petersen, later of CSI. I also remember Mykelti Williamson (Forrest Gump, Heat) in what I believe was the Ed Begley cranky bastard role. Don't remember who else.

I'm a recovering actor. Movies are a bit of a hobby.

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Poster: sparky999255 Date: Nov 29, 2006 4:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: McGlone you will be sorely missed

George C. Scott did play the Lee J Cobb charachter. James Gandolfini, Edward James Olmos and Ossie Davis are all in the remake. Tony Danza played the Jack Warden role from the original and Olmos played the role of the "foreign guy" not sure who that was in the original. I like Petersen in Long Gone and The Contender, but have never seen CSI. I'm a movie buff myself. Between movies and music I'm surprised my wife puts up with it.

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Poster: BryanE Date: Nov 29, 2006 5:22pm
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Yeah, yeah-Gandolfini, Olmos, Ossie Davis-it's all coming back to me. The foreigner in the original was played by George Voskovec. For the life of me, I don't know what else the guy ever did. Don't know if you're aware of imdb.com (Internet Movie Database), but it's a great source to quickly look up stuff like that. I guess I should go there myself.

CSI might be past its prime. But a couple of years ago or so it was really cutting edge as far as network prime-time drama is concerned. I don't think I'm familiar with Long Gone or The Contender. Petersen had a couple of breakout roles in To Live And Die In L.A. (a William Friedkin movie that included his attempt to outdo the car/elevated train chase he directed in The French Connection. Damn near succeeded, too, but it's virtually impossible to improve on a classic sequence like that) and Manhunter (the first screen version of Red Dragon and consequentially the first screen appearance of Hannibal Lecter, albeit a minor, uninteresting character. Also an early film directed by Michael Mann, which he did following Thief, and preceding Last Of The Mohicans and Heat-there's that title again).

And I look up at the title of this thread and see it's about McGlone being sorely missed. What the hell does any of this have to do with that? So many roads.

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Poster: sparky999255 Date: Nov 29, 2006 6:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: McGlone you will be sorely missed

Odd...I've seen and enjoyed every one of those movies you just listed. I agree with you about the French Connection...tough to improve on that. I highly recommend the Contender. Petersen's role isn't that large, I just remember him in it. It does star Joan Allen, Jeff Bridges and one of my favorites Gary Oldman. Long Gone is a fun baseball movie and Petersen is the main charachter.

I guess if McGlone likes movies he could do worse than checking out some of these recommendations during his hiatus

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Poster: deadmax Date: Nov 28, 2006 8:35pm
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Leave McGlone alone.

He'll come back when he's ready...or not.

That's his choice and as Men (and woman) we need to respect it. He's a respectable guy and we owe him that kind of "space". We all need to go away to our caves sometimes and reconnect. You guys all know what I'm talking about because we all do it.

Give him a break. And Liam too. And...Dire too.

Just leave them alone, they'll do what they need to do, rejeuvenate, then decide what direction the wind is blowing them in. I mean, the four winds, of course.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 28, 2006 9:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: McGlone you will be sorely missed

no one has to leave me alone (but thanks for the thought man) - if youre gonna plant ice, you're gonna harvest wind.

i'm leavin mcglone alone - he's a cool dude and wants some space from what i gather. we all need it sometimes.

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Poster: mcglone Date: Nov 29, 2006 6:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: McGlone you will be sorely missed

i was hoping to 'fade to grey' (re: guilty pleasure - fad gaget. anyone?). but...

well, johnny nailed it. too much drama as of late (for my tastes anyway). we are indeed a diverse group, but at the same time we kinda all roll into one. trust me, i have as much bloodlust as the next guy. you can have shark week. give me wildebeests trying to cross the crocodile infested zambezi any ol' day! but when it comes to a group death roll (why not keep the metaphors rolling) on one brother/sister (whoever it might be) i had to turn away. i never saw a fight on shakedown street, yet here....

for what it's worth, i care folks. we all answered the bell and helped out BryanE without blinking an eye. that immediate response is far more indicative of the dead experience i'm familar with.

- i have great respect for earl b's patriotism.
- i don't want william tell to regret coming out from the shadows (it's not always like this).
- i want to look as good as cosmic charlie does when i'm 60! keep on runnin' bro.
- i want to celebrate in dire's last visit to the doctor and burn one down with him as we use his crutches for kindling.
- i'm always curious what darkhallow is going to have to offer up when he sits down with his obligatory cup of moring joe and fires up his pc (i'm even happier to know his son made it home from iraq).
- i revel in the passionate writings and posts of liam, arbuthnot and ashes! for one reason or another, i used to think ashes and liam might be the same person. folks, anyone can reply to a post or bitch about topics, but time after time, these guys give us food for thought.
- i trust purple gel's reviews. he got it right - the remaining member's in the band over estimate how many of us are left. all the more reason to stay close!
- i'm glad max c. found what he was looking for in san fran. remember to always keep an extra pair of strings with you on your travels.
- i like knowing i'm not the only canuck head around these parts. peace to midnight sun, syd the cat and scottd. hope i haven't forgot anyone...
- i look forward to when daliguana shares the good news about his graduation. nursing is perhaps the most honorable of professions.
- i like when robthewordsmith chimes in with his perspective from across the pond.
- it's about time a woman has thrown her hat into the ring! thanks dancingbears.
- dr flashback's reviews have pointed me in the direction of many an unplucked gem.
- deadmax opened the doors to a good number of lurkers with his recent post. the more the merrier!
- one day i hope to have the sense of family that high flow enjoys (btw, DVD's sent yesterday).
- stilldead77 is doing good a world away. every westerner owes you thanks. did you teach them monkey and the engineer?
- thank you cream-puff-war for digging up some real treasures on the history and genesis of the dead.
- jodyc, a man who likes bear perhaps even more than i do! and got me 6-21-80. merci.
- i read a post yesterday where someone else is sick of taking flack for having long hair. i feel your pain my friend ; )
- tigerbolt, cush12, orchiddoctor, cliff hucker, doodle, ganges, mmreid, another one, stratocaster, ol uncle john, smgarcia, blue devil, fishead, mudcatbluez, lobster12, tbrad, cranky1, elkdog, patkelly, scrim, edsel and everyone else thanks for carrying on.

i guess what i'm really trying to say is can't we all just take a step back and try a little bit harder?

peace friends, peace.

ian






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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 29, 2006 7:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: McGlone you will be sorely missed

well said my friend, and you couldn't be more right

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Poster: cush11 Date: Nov 29, 2006 9:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: McGlone you will be sorely missed

My bad, feel guilty now. I do love this forum and have a lot of fun here! Glad I got involved!!! For the most part, I do hold my tongue but... I did have to bare my fangs a bit the other night (remember, I am Direwolfs long lost older twin brother)! I hope no one takes offence to my little contributions here, my sense of humor is rather out there and sometime I don't get my own jokes, but it's all meant in fun. Trust me, if I ever do mean to offend anyone, they'll know!

Take care friend, see you around...

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Poster: orchiddoctor Date: Nov 29, 2006 7:37am
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You're a good man, Ian.

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Poster: Dancinbears Date: Nov 29, 2006 7:42am
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Ian, this was the most touching post I've ever read yet. Sometimes I wonder what I'm doing hanging out with you guys, but after reading this, I'm really glad I'm here. =) I hope you will reconsider, and stick around, because I'm just beginning to get to know everyone. But if you fade off for a little, I really understand. I hope you'll drop me a line...
dancinbears4me@yahoo.com

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